No, Mary Sues ARE perfect. That's what I'm saying. The idealism behind them is that they have no flaws. So essentially, they do piss people off because they're not realistic characters. They're very much a fantasy of what a person would like to be - no flaws, no regrettable behaviour, etc.
I'm not criticising your post, I think you make some interesting points but from what I've experienced in the HP fandom; Mary Sues are really, really annoying. The people that write them up are generally young and insecure though so there's no point in having a go at them as they'll grow out of it.
As for the Gary Stu thing, it is bad when all a character wants to do in a roleplay (female OR male) is shag everything in site. That, to me, spoils everything.
Strong, beautiful women are fine. Nobody is disrespecting that. What they're saying is that they are written in a way that is demeaning. Like... why would Victoria Frobisher only live for having sex with Harry Potter? Not much of a life, is it?! Or to pine over Ron Weasley? Plus, psychologically, it doesn't work out either. Good looking people date other good looking people; that's the way it works. I know, I studied hard once ;)
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I'm not criticising your post, I think you make some interesting points but from what I've experienced in the HP fandom; Mary Sues are really, really annoying. The people that write them up are generally young and insecure though so there's no point in having a go at them as they'll grow out of it.
As for the Gary Stu thing, it is bad when all a character wants to do in a roleplay (female OR male) is shag everything in site. That, to me, spoils everything.
Strong, beautiful women are fine. Nobody is disrespecting that. What they're saying is that they are written in a way that is demeaning. Like... why would Victoria Frobisher only live for having sex with Harry Potter? Not much of a life, is it?! Or to pine over Ron Weasley? Plus, psychologically, it doesn't work out either. Good looking people date other good looking people; that's the way it works. I know, I studied hard once ;)